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The Refined Collective Podcast

Sep 30, 2020

Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!


Andi Andrew is a dear friend of mine and I am glad to finally have her on the podcast! She is a wife, mother of four kiddos, pastor, author, and speaker. She and her husband, Paul, are lead pastors at the Liberty Church in NYC. She also launched She is Free in 2015, a movement that equips women to walk in freedom. Today we’re talking about dream interpretation, a prophetic dream she had in 2016, and we unpack a recurring dream I’ve been struggling to understand.


“As if posting a picture on our social media channels alone solves the massive problems we see all around us. If we could intentionally put our phones down more often and be about our father’s business…we’d see the change + transformation we so eloquently post about on our feeds…I think we can all agree that the last thing a lost and dying world needs is an army of ‘cute entertainers’ who are only interested in saving ourselves while spouting our opinions and putting on a show with an impotent gospel that temporarily fixes our symptoms instead of healing the heart, soul + body.” – Andi Andrew, Fake or Follower


A Prophetic Dream

  • Andi had a dream back in the election season in 2016… a tumultuous time.

  • She was walking down the street with her children. There was an angel on her shoulder. She noticed people taking selfies in front of piles of dead bodies along the road. 

  • Andi felt no fear in the dream and her angel told her to walk into the destruction.

  • “God, is this a nightmare? Do I need to be praying for our city?” The Lord told her that no, it was the state of the church.

  • God was telling her that the church needs its foundation to be rebuilt and that it will take longer than we want it to, but it will happen.

  • “In this season, God is really stripping the layers back of the church and of our lives so that we can hopefully wake up and pay attention.”

  • It’s time to go back to the simplicity of the gospel. Get rid of the bells and whistles and focus on devotion to God, each other, prayer, unity, and community.


4 Different Types of Dreams

1.     Soul Dream

  • This is your brain processing the day. If you watched a certain show or listened to a certain song that day, it could be weaved into the dream.

2.     Demonic Dream (night terror/nightmare)

  • These are not from God.

  • The enemy is showing you his hand— use this to pray specifically to God.

3.     Prophetic Dream

  • They could be personal, for others, or for a collective of people.

  • Discernment: when and where to share, or are you just supposed to pray for others during this time?

4.     Personal Discipleship Dream

  • If there’s something that you haven’t dealt with from your past, it could keep coming to you in your dreams.


Common Dream Symbols

  • Numbers and colors are important. If you remember small details of your dreams, write them down!

  • Different types of buildings and vehicles have different meanings: towers, open fields, scary forests, cars, airplanes, motorcycles.

  • “The word of God, the Holy Spirit, is going to be your greatest teacher.”


How to Interpret Your Dream

  • Stay in the word of God— read it all the time.

  • You need to be able to discern if your dream is from you, from God, or from the enemy.

  • Pray! “Holy Spirit, does this have a meaning?”

  • Write down the details of your dreams first thing in the morning.

  • If you’re receiving a prophetic message for another person, “Ask God: Am I meant to share this or am I just meant to pray for this person?” and always approach the person with humility. 




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